“They used glue?” exclaims the doctor in horror. “That’s very unorthodox indeed.” I grimace, and wish I’d omitted to mention the part where Tadpole fell in England, struck her face on an English manhole cover (which apparently is what happened – my friend went back to the disaster scene), and got fixed up by an English nurse.
“Yes, they used glue,” I say, “and I’m just hoping the wound is tightly closed, but I can’t really tell, it kind of scabbed over in the night and the swelling seems worse.”
“Well, I don’t mind taking a look if you want to bring her in,” the doctor replies, “but you’d be better off going to casualty and asking a surgeon to inspect the wound. Mind you, they might turn you away, because it’s no longer fresh…”
I sigh. A potentially futile morning spent hanging around in casualty it is. I don’t really mind, it’s not like I can work while Tadpole is home from school, deadline or no deadline. When I call Mr Frog to ask him for Tadpole’s carte vitale, he offers to come along too and I am grateful. In stressful situations his quiet insistence tends to be more productive than my short temper.
The urgences pédiatriques at Robert Debré children’s hospital are en travaux. The waiting rooms are freshly painted in turquoise, orange and butter yellow, but there are no toys for children nor coffee machines for adults. Mr Frog sneaks off for a cigarette, and returns brandishing coffee. Tadpole is pretending to read her Disney Princess magazine, her brow furrowed in concentration. Apart from the fact that the right side of her lip is about three times its usual size and covered with dried glue and scabs in various autumnal shades, she’s as right as rain.
“Vous m’entendez?” says a woman’s voice, loud and clear over the PA system. “It this thing working?”
“Indeed it is,” I reply, although we are in a separate waiting room, far from the main desk, and my feedback is not actually being sought.
“Rentrez tous chez vous et arrêtez de nous embêter!” says another, lower voice. The assembled parents exchange amused glances and I accidentally snort some coffee down my nose. “What?” the second voice says frantically. “You mean it works even when the button isn’t pressed down?”
The doctor tuts as he examines Tadpole’s face. “We never use glue on lips in this hospital,” he says. “Stitches are better, because lips swell and the wound can weep.”
“Is there anything we can do to improve things now?” I ask cautiously, not really relishing the idea of slicing the wound back open and pinning Tadpole to a table, but terrified that she will be permanently disfigured.
“No, no, it’s more than six hours old, nothing I can do here… It might be fine, it looks clean and dry. We just would have done things differently, that’s all.”
He hands back Tadpole’s carnet de santé and returns to typing something at his keyboard as I lift my daughter down from the examining table, biting my own lip.
“Oh well, I suppose it was worth checking,” I say to Mr Frog as we gather up our bags and jackets and make for the door.
The doctor looks up from his screen. “Yes, he says, “but what a pity she didn’t fall over in France.”
Okay – geek comment for the day – cyanoacrylate was invented to glue wounds shut. It’s common name is “super glue”.
Comment by Jonathan — April 25, 2007 @ 12:00 pm
Well… in Switzerland they use glue too. It’s far less distressful for the child. It gave tremendous results on my son.
It seems that surgeons live only to criticize the work of their fellow physicians…
Quit worrying, everything will turn out fine!
Cheers!
Comment by JCP — April 25, 2007 @ 12:01 pm
I’m sure Tadpole will bear that in mind next time she decides to split her lip open.
Comment by suziboo — April 25, 2007 @ 12:04 pm
Best not to mention how we say “punch line” in French…
Comment by francois — April 25, 2007 @ 12:07 pm
My husband got hit in the face and had a split lip (here in France) and went to casualty and did indeed have it stitched rather than glued, but nevertheless it doesn’t look the same as it did before so I wouldn’t believe a doctor now who tells me stitching is better.
Comment by bubble — April 25, 2007 @ 12:08 pm
Well I don’t want to be the one to say it but… that is SO French.. time to survey how many Englishmen have been disfigured over glue vs. stiches… keep your chin up and mind the sun (while you may not want “disfigurement” you certainly don’t want a sun scar on top of it…
Comment by magillicuddy — April 25, 2007 @ 12:35 pm
Right. Well. What a pity my son isn’t autistic in America or the UK, because in France they don’t know what in god’s name they are doing.
Comment by Francaise de Coeur — April 25, 2007 @ 12:56 pm
The ‘Entente Cordiale’ lives on, while medical reassurance sounds the same both sides of the Channel, “it might be fine”. Let’s hope it is!
Comment by Ariel — April 25, 2007 @ 1:12 pm
Well, here in Beaune, Burgundy, France, they use glue in preference to stitches. My children have been glued there for various things including rugby injuries. Having had a stitched lip myself 45 years ago in Leamington Spa, England A and E department and having spent most of my adult life putting up with a lumpy bottom lip, I wouldn’t worry about such arrogant attempts at oneupmanship. I went through all of these comparisons at each of my pregnancies here in France and whilst things might often be done differently in the UK ( or elsewhere for that matter ), the result is very often pretty similar.
Comment by christine — April 25, 2007 @ 1:53 pm
Typically French response, n’est-ce pas? The French are the only ones who know the right way to do anything.
Facial wounds often look far worse than they are; it’s something about how there are more capillaries in the face, things tend to bleed more and there’s often more bruising. I think you’ll be amazed at how much better she looks in a week or so.
Comment by The Bold Soul — April 25, 2007 @ 1:54 pm
:-) perhaps they would’ve been more accepting of the glue if it wasn’t administered by enemy hands? (the English of course)
Poor tadpole, hope that you’ve all recovered your nerves and on the mend.
Comment by Amy — April 25, 2007 @ 2:30 pm
When my daughter got sliced between the eyes by a flying watering can (big brother did it) they glued it up (in Lyon). Less chance of scarring apparently…it does seem to be working but then, I’m an optimist.
Hope it’s soon better, now’s a good time to feed her lots of ice cream…
Comment by Barbara — April 25, 2007 @ 2:36 pm
I see this kind of Gallic superiority complex every now and then in the medical field.
Your post about the event makes me marvel at the differences between British and American English. “Casualty” sounds more like a car being totalled than a child, even if she ran into a manhole cover.
Comment by Lost in France — April 25, 2007 @ 2:53 pm
While the cut is healing use some Triple Antibiotic Ointment(I assume they sell it there too) to prevent infections, and after it starts to scab, try applying Vitamin E Oil to prevent it from scarring. Good luck :)
Comment by homeimprovementninja — April 25, 2007 @ 2:55 pm
children’s cells renew really quick cos they’re growing so wounds heal fast. plus i suppose, from an evolutionary perspective, that it should be so because kids gotta learn by falling.
i spilt my lip too as a toddler. i don’t remember details but i guess it must have been bad because i kept dreaming about it-toddler, surgeons, blood and all-till i was 13, and only then did i tell my mum who reviewed to me the origins of the dream.
i digress. what i meant to say is, i am perfectly alright now. no scar. in fact, it is the little carving-knife cut on my finger which was surgical-taped (another technology!) instead of stiched to save me the trauma at the age of 12 that leaves a scar now 8 years down the road.
speedy recovery both to you and your princess!
Comment by zoeshync — April 25, 2007 @ 2:57 pm
’tis true about the difference between the two countries. When I was younger I fell over a crash barrier at the top of a cliff in France and cut my chin open – cue much covering me in some sort of purple antiseptic gunk and then application of butterfly stitches.
On my return to the UK, the doctor told me they’d stopped using the purple gunk about 30 years ago.
PS: was that the St Albans minor injuries unit? My friend who fell over in St Albans told me the doctors are far better looking in Hemel A&E!
Comment by Richard Gillin — April 25, 2007 @ 2:59 pm
I bet if she’d fallen over in France and you’d then had her treatment reviewed in England, the English doctor would have said similar things.
Glad she’s all right though – what an awful shock for you!
Comment by clare — April 25, 2007 @ 3:21 pm
Careful with glue… :-) Well not so much with the glue, but with the doctor. My son (age 2) tripped over his feet by the front door, poleaxed the corner of the wall and put a neat split in his forehead.
The first doctor glued it shut, but C being 2, rubbed it and opened the wound.
The second doctor didn’t lie him down to reapply the glue and it ran down his forehead in to his eye and glued it shut.
Not in itself a major issue as the glue would release in time. Just try explaining that to a (now hysterical) 2 year old.
I’m sure it’s happened in France too – maybe that’s why they only use stitches now in some hospitals?
Tadpole did very well.
ps – Did I miss it, but I’m still wondering what happened to your date at the Ritz? Respect to the bloke for a very original chat up line.
Comment by Mark — April 25, 2007 @ 4:00 pm
For what it’s worth, if my tailor were to return the torn trousers I gave him glued instead of stitched there’d be holy murder.
Would never opt for the glue, if given the choice.
Comment by Trevor — April 25, 2007 @ 4:09 pm
Glue’s such a good idea. It has to hurt less than stitches, too.
Comment by Susan — April 25, 2007 @ 4:20 pm
At the end of the day, as long as the wound is healing properly, this is all that really matters. The choice of whether or not to use glue for a lip wound was a little surprising to me, as I never saw it used here on that part of the body in all my years as a paramedic.
I will say that the French doctor’s comments do not exactly eliminate the image of France being a snooty country. I have tried to expel that image from my mind so that when I am able to finally visit France, I can do so with an open mind.
As for using the word “Casualty Unit” I agree with Lost in France. Here in the US, the old term Emergency Room has been replaced by Emergency Department. (Though I remember a time at certain hospitals where the word “Room” was entirely appropriate. ;-) )
Comment by Dave of the Lake — April 25, 2007 @ 4:51 pm
Ah well, you see, the British version of ER is called “Casualty”. It’s, er, a little less glam.
But let’s stay off the subject of medical dramas or I’ll get myself into a lather over Hugh Laurie (with a limp) all over again.
Comment by petite — April 25, 2007 @ 4:53 pm
Can I second the Vitamin E cream suggestion for reduction of scars? Palmer’s cocoa butter lotion was recommended by a nurse to my husband when he came off his bike. Don’t put it on the scab though, you have to wait until the cut’s healed.
Comment by Sarah — April 25, 2007 @ 4:57 pm
I’m definitely going to use the Vit E cream/oil and keep her face out of the sun this year (or use sunblock around her mouth).
Comment by petite — April 25, 2007 @ 5:05 pm
Another good thing to use is lavender oil mixed with almond oil. You have to wait till cut is completely healed and then use it. I think 3 drops almond to 1 drop lavender is good. It worked brilliantly on my leg which was scarred in a freak leg waxing accident (fault of so-called professional beautican) nd I have no scars now. Good luck!
Comment by Catkin — April 25, 2007 @ 5:22 pm
I have to say, that falling down in France is NOT better than falling down in England, from my humble experience. Living in Tours, France (about an hour southwest of Paris by TGV), i fell down on the Ave de Grammont, a main street, while running (also a no-no in France is apparently exercising in public).
Because streets in France tend to be completely uneven because when they ‘fix’ a part of a road or sidewalk, they don’t particularly care to make it even like they would elsewhere. Needless to say, i bailed completely, dropping my ipod, skinning both my knees, my elbows and my knuckles (the only thing that hurt was my pinky finger however). Bleeding everywhere, not one of the twenty people within five meters of me helped me up or asked me if i was alright.
Needless to say, I accepted this as the French way, and dusted my Canadian self off and ran with my two bleeding knees back home to discover that my hostfamily believes firmly in alcohol and iodine to clean ALL wounds.
oy.
Comment by Santon — April 25, 2007 @ 5:26 pm
Here in Canada, they use glue on virtually all minor kid’s wounds, not to worry.
V.
Comment by Voyager — April 25, 2007 @ 5:31 pm
You make me wonder what happens round the world now.
What happens when you fall over in Spain? Belgium? Holland?
Not that I’m suggesting anyone should actually *go* and find out. That would just be silly.
Comment by Yellow — April 25, 2007 @ 5:33 pm
Hi Petite. I love your blog and hope Tadpole feels better soon. I was crying reading the last blog. I wanted to mention that fish oil is amazing for inflammation or swelling. I’ve taken it myself several times, and I’m pretty sure it is available in liquid form for children. Just wanted to throw it out there for you, it may help speed things along?
Comment by Jen — April 25, 2007 @ 5:35 pm
But Hugh Laurie (with a limp) is really good!
Comment by Pierre L — April 25, 2007 @ 6:03 pm
Petite, let nature take its course. Using vit E cream/oil on tadpole’s broken/bonded lips would be about as effective as using vit E cream/oil on my royal arse! Big buisness is involved in what’s happening here. The glue manufacturers are getting the upper hand on the stitching industry with the doctors. As simple as that. If they’re using glue, it’s because they, the doctors are getting backhanders for doing so. You wouldn’t put up with glue from a seamstress, so why should you put up with it from an abundantly belettered doctor, who probably went into the profession in the first place to please his mother.
I feel very strongly about this issue.
Comment by Trevor — April 25, 2007 @ 6:04 pm
Furthermore, there’s nothing more effective for healing skin wounds as an abundance of natural sunlight, without any protection whatsoever.
Comment by Trevor — April 25, 2007 @ 6:07 pm
The glue subject is a metaphor for ‘Royaume Uni – une point’. Eurovision Song Contest next month. You mark my words.
Comment by Welsh Cake — April 25, 2007 @ 6:08 pm
Pierre L – getting myself into a lather is A Good Thing, but something might have been lost in translation there
Catkin – Dear god! At least it wasn’t a freak bikini wax incident.
Comment by petite — April 25, 2007 @ 6:36 pm
Good man Catkin, “You have to wait till cut is completely healed and then use”. Up to the top of the class with you, smart lad in the premises.
Would you kindly remind me Catkin what’s the point in using anything if the wound is completely healed?
Comment by Trevor — April 25, 2007 @ 6:46 pm
Ha! I laughed out loud when I read the end of this. What an amusing response from the doctor: “What a pity she didn’t fall over in France??” What a thing to say. I hope Tadpole is feeling better.
Comment by lapagefrancaise — April 25, 2007 @ 6:52 pm
Petite – I was meant to carry on to bikini but I had a second sense that something was going terribly wrong!
Trevor – you use after healing is complete to avoid scarring!
Comment by Catkin — April 25, 2007 @ 7:10 pm
I wonder how I survived 12 years in England!!! even gave birth twice there!!! and we are all fine! :-))
Comment by Sylvie — April 25, 2007 @ 7:27 pm
When I teach writing to my third graders, I often have them find a scar on their body and use it to tell a story. One boy told a particularly interesting tale about his “private scar.” I was a bit freaked at first until it turned out that the story was about sitting on a fork with his bare backside one summer at a barbeque. My personal philosophy is that naked and cooking over coals rarely go together, regardless of age, but whatever.
I hope I get Tadpole in my class someday!
Comment by Jelly — April 25, 2007 @ 7:31 pm
How inconvenient for them that Tadpole did not fall where they wanted them to!
Comment by Jean-Luc Picard — April 25, 2007 @ 8:11 pm
Oh and sorry about awful typing – it must be the keyboard!!
ps Trevor – I am a girl!!!!!!!
Comment by Catkin — April 25, 2007 @ 8:36 pm
Trevor dear, whatever made you think Catkin was a man?
And may I ask, what ointment they gave you to heal your wounds, apart from loads of healthy sunshine of course.
Petite, go to a chemist and ask for Cicamosa. You can use it on scabs. It’s terribly effective.
Comment by Sophie — April 25, 2007 @ 8:44 pm
Dear Trevor, stop getting yourself into a “lather”
… although I do love the furthermores and whatsoevers.
Speaking of lathers, I prefer Doctor McDreamy. And Rob on Bodies, before dastardly TPS removed BBC Prime…
And Française de Coeur, I’m really sorry that things are tough, I guess split lips are not on the same scale as your worries.
Good old Tadpole, hope you get well soon. xxx
Comment by Kate — April 25, 2007 @ 9:27 pm
Wonder what Dr. Gregory House himself (swoon!) would have decided on, Petite?
Comment by happyforyou — April 25, 2007 @ 11:32 pm
I must ask my daughter what they use here in Australia – who, bizarrely enough, is at uni in St Albans studying to be a paramedic – St Albans Melbourne, that is.
As far as glue vs stitching, OF COURSE you’d want clothes to be stitched, they don’t heal! People heal, the glue is only temporary (as are any stitches), until the body does its thing. Stitches also have to be removed – another plus for the glue!
And as for ‘fabulous sunlight’, while my daughter never needed to be stitched, I could scare you witless with her severe sunburn treatment (her entire face was blistered). Everything in moderation…
Comment by Anne — April 26, 2007 @ 12:08 am
It works both ways
I fell off a motorbike while on holiday in France and broke a finger. I took the x-ray back to England with me when I went for a follow-up x-ray and the radiographer boasted that her x-ray was much better than the French one, and the nurse criticised the splint which the French medics had applied.
I think the issue here is that patients and their families really shouldnt be subjected to this kind of “tut-tutting” and snootiness, it helps no-one and just adds to the worry.
Comment by anxious — April 26, 2007 @ 8:56 am
I must say though, the treatment I had in Germany for appendicitis was brilliant. Tiny scar, lovely hospital, lots of peppermint herbal tea…
Comment by petite — April 26, 2007 @ 9:00 am
When i was a student in France for a year I broke the crown on my front tooth while biting into a baguette. The emergency dentist told me to stick it back on with chewing gum as a temporary measure until I went back to England for the half-term holidays.
Comment by Mancunian Lass — April 26, 2007 @ 9:42 am
Poor little thing. Vitamin E oil does work a treat, the ex had big scar on his chin after a car accident and after 3 months use every night (such a woman!) it was gone.
BTW, anyone else see the article/bio of Helena Frith Powell (fellow commentor) in Grazia this week….I was reading away and thinking I know that name! Small world.
Comment by Susie — April 26, 2007 @ 10:20 am
Hi Petite, silicon patches are really good for reducing visibility of scars – you just place the patch on the scar at night-time. I used them for a facial scar (after a horrible accident) and they used to be available at French pharmacies, I’m not sure now but you can definitely get them at holpitals. They work like magic. Bisous à ta puce.
Comment by Gucci Bitch — April 26, 2007 @ 10:43 am
My kids have been both glued and stitched – though obviouly not at the same time.
The upside of glue is that it’s much less invasive. The downside, though, is that you can’t go to school/nursery the next day and show off the doctor’s embroidery.
Thus glue is great at the time, but stitches give you much more play-ground cred.
Comment by Alan — April 26, 2007 @ 10:56 am
Not to defend my country, but I feel like most doctors anywhere really think they have the only solution to your problem, whatever from giving birth to minor injuries, and any other solution is rubbish.
That’s why I like mine so much : whenever a stupid specialist orders me to do something I don’t want to and refuses to propose me another solution when I say I won’t, I ask him and he always has at least one alternative.
Comment by Anna — April 26, 2007 @ 10:58 am
I am so relieved not to be the only one who finds Hugh Laurie’s dark hair/blue eyes combo irresistible.
My friends think I’m odd, but I think he’s v sexy – even appearing in my dreams now! Yay.
Do people still say Cor!? or is it non-pc?
Comment by Duck — April 26, 2007 @ 1:19 pm
Petite,
I’d be really worried if my 3 year old had had a freak bikini wax treatment!!
Comment by Craig — April 26, 2007 @ 1:25 pm
:o) It’s such fun living in a foriegn country!! I have lost count of the times that I’ve been told that the Italians do things SO much better than the English. Sometimes they do, but sometimes they don’t. What really annoys me is the way I have to be told each time that whatever we do in England is crap.
I hope Tadpole’s lip is getting better (and I still think glue is a great idea. I remember my father holding me down so that they could put stitches in my forehead after a game of kiss chase in the playground resulted in me headbutting the playground wall (I was 4 at the time) and it was not nice. Glue would have been a lot better).
Comment by Hazy — April 26, 2007 @ 2:43 pm
I recently dislocated my shoulder in France, and have to say the treatment I received was first class.
I have also had my head glued in the UK (after falling over drunk in my early 20’s), which has left a nice scar, and if my Dad is anything to go by, then it will be showing itself clearly in about 10 years time.
Comment by Mr Angry — April 26, 2007 @ 3:15 pm
Yes, I’ve heard of people using glue here too. Oh wait, thems weren’t doctors…
Comment by Mr Miyagi — April 26, 2007 @ 4:05 pm
Re: #41
Seeing that House usually deals with things difficult to dignose and hates Clinic duty, I imagine he would have been completely inappropriate and hit on Petite at the same time, disregarding the cut altogether. Yes, indeed, Hugh Laurie is a delectable dish.
Comment by Leslie — April 26, 2007 @ 8:09 pm
Hugh Laurie? No, I can’t get the image of him as Mr Little and Blackadder’s nemesis out of my mind – let alone Bertie Wooster. Stephen Merchant on the other hand..
Comment by Welsh Cake — April 26, 2007 @ 8:59 pm
And how many STITCHES did the smug doctor need to HIS lip, after you swung him one? Good luck with Tadpole. I’m sure she’ll be just dandy!
Comment by teeweewonders — April 26, 2007 @ 11:04 pm
My son, aged 4, was stitched between the eyes in England, at the Royal Berkshire Hospital and screamed the place down; I wish they had glued him. My daughter was stitched up in Ireland for a lip accident – sounded similar to Tadpole’s but a doctor had opted not to stitch or trim a dog-bite under her eye a year before. This was the only one of the 3 events that scarred.
Not as badly, however, as the result of an eyebrow piercing conducted without any kind of parental permission, at age 13.
After that, the earlier accidental scars seemed minor.
Comment by Ruth — April 26, 2007 @ 11:22 pm
Hi, Petite,
Sorry about the trauma to you and to Tadpole. But my two have had their shares of bumps, scrapes and major surgeries here in France, although only one ER trip to Necker and there were no stitches or glue involved in that one (x-rays, instead).
Lay off the oils. If you want to lubricate Tadpole’s lips in a couple of weeks, that blue Nivea lip balm is just fine. But for now, don’t put anything on the scab in particular. Also, it will heal very well and almost certainly have no scar – although a bump is theoretically possible, it depends how deep the cut was.
Take the opportunity to give her drinks with pretty colored straws and soft bread instead of baguette for a little while. You will be amazed at how quickly she heals up – every day, you’ll see progress. Weird colors is progress – those rogue red blood cells that seeped out into the tissues are being broken down. White pus is her body cleaning up all the dead debris in the edge of the cut – that one freaked me out big-time, but it’s quite normal and not a sign of infection. Sign of infection is that the area around grows progressively *more* taut and red, hot, and she may run a fever. But I know you’d go see your generaliste or pediatrician before that ;-)
Now that it’s past, no more worries. All part of being a mom. It’s much worse than when it happens to you.
And as for glue vs. stitches, I entirely agree with Anna’s analysis (comment 52)…
Comment by Alethea — April 27, 2007 @ 8:52 am
I think that to be honest the situation should be assessed at the time. And, although I am not a doctor, as a mother, if it were my three year old sitting there with a bleeding lip, having had a very traumatic half hour I think I would prefer the least invasive method available – which is probably going to be glue. Also, if the stitches that I had when I had my appendix op a few years ago are anything to go by, there are more marks just from the staples themselves. Now whilst they wouldn’t use staples on the lips, I can’t help thinking that a neat glue mend would be less likely to produce a scar. Aloe Vera comes with lots of recommendations too – but I do think that young bodies heal quickly really, on the whole.
Comment by Sally Lomax — April 27, 2007 @ 6:20 pm
“The waiting rooms are freshly painted in turquoise, orange and butter yellow”
More colour may well be on the way……http://www.poppyjazz.com/
Comment by Carina — April 29, 2007 @ 11:16 pm
sorry i’m not english i’m french désoler si tu ne comprend pas mé je ne connais pas bocou l’anglais ce qe je voulais te dire c’est que jadore ce qe tu écrie et bonne continuation!!
Comment by amelie — April 30, 2007 @ 7:52 am
well for what its worth this is my understanding on this glue question. I was taught that if the laceration crossed the “vermillion border” that is cut from normal skin through to the red part of the lip then sutures were mandatory as a perfect cosmetic result is required. I ,personally , have never seen it used on lip wounds. So i agree with your French doctors. Glue is great in most other cases but you do have to be very careful not to let it run out of control [vis the eye problem above]. Other doctors my disagree . I was trained in the UK and Australia.
Comment by Dr H — April 30, 2007 @ 8:19 am
Would prefer glue for my child. It’s frustrating to have to give a general anaesthetic to a child (many will not accept stitching under local anaesthetic) and all of the trauma that involves (starvation/potential overnight stay). Doctors generally have the St. Elsewhere attitude, even in their own country, just gets worse when you talk about care in a foreign hospital!!
Comment by JT — May 1, 2007 @ 9:08 am
Hugh Laurie with a limp what? ;o)
Comment by Nix — May 2, 2007 @ 10:47 am
The way I wanted to see this post end:
“Stitches are better, because lips swell and the wounds can weep” croaked Poppa Frog to idiot medecin laying on floor apres flattening, as we exited the room…Hope your little princess is feeling better;
please keep us updated!
Comment by Belle — May 2, 2007 @ 4:04 pm