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		<title>By: chris holland</title>
		<link>http://petiteanglaise.com/2004/10/05/old-maid/#comment-312</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[chris holland]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Oct 2004 23:28:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[hang in there Girl :) I&#039;ve read the reasons you gave from Mr Frog and they still don&#039;t make sense to me. From the moment you have a kid, you&#039;re pretty-much committed for life, so why deal with the extra hassles of not being married? This kinda mystifies me.

well, take care :) stumbled upon your blog and just subscribed to your RSS feed :) I grew up in Paris from French Mom and American Dad, both of which still live there and I visit yearly. I&#039;ve lived in california for 9 years (since 19).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hang in there Girl :) I&#8217;ve read the reasons you gave from Mr Frog and they still don&#8217;t make sense to me. From the moment you have a kid, you&#8217;re pretty-much committed for life, so why deal with the extra hassles of not being married? This kinda mystifies me.</p>
<p>well, take care :) stumbled upon your blog and just subscribed to your RSS feed :) I grew up in Paris from French Mom and American Dad, both of which still live there and I visit yearly. I&#8217;ve lived in california for 9 years (since 19).</p>
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		<title>By: petite</title>
		<link>http://petiteanglaise.com/2004/10/05/old-maid/#comment-311</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Oct 2004 18:35:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[tasha

thanks for your comment, but I have to ask:  is your caps lock key stuck?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tasha</p>
<p>thanks for your comment, but I have to ask:  is your caps lock key stuck?</p>
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		<title>By: tasha</title>
		<link>http://petiteanglaise.com/2004/10/05/old-maid/#comment-310</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Oct 2004 07:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[WOW, I AM SURE LUCKY TO LIVE IN AUSTRALIA. IN MY COUNTRY IT IS IRRELEVANT WHETHER MARRIED OR NOT,WHEN YOUR CHILD IS BORN YOU JUST FILL IN THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE WITH THE CHILDS DETAILS AND THE CHOICE OF NAMES,MY FRIEND HAS TWO KIDS TO TWO DIFFERENT DADS AND IS STILL UNMARRIED,HER FIRST MY GODDAUGHTER HAS HER MOTHERS NAME,AND HER SECOND HAS HIS FATHERS,BUT IF SHE WERE TO GET MARRIED TO ANOTHER THE MAN IF WANTED TO COULD LEGALLY GIVE HIS NAME TO BOTH CHILDREN IF THAT WAS WHAT WAS WANTED,OR KEEP AS IS AND THE WIFE IS ALWAYS ALLOWED TO KEEP HER OWN NAME OR IN FACT HYPHONATE HER NAME WITH HIS AND ALSO THE CHILDS.iN ANY CASE IN THIS COUNTRY IF THE FATHER WAS TO DIE IT WOULD BE ON THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE WHO THE MOTHER WAS ANYWAY SO NO WORRIES THERE,AND ALSO WHICH IS NOT ALWAYS THE BEST THING BECAUSE SOME TAKE ADVANTAGE BUT IN YOUR CASE WOULD BE THE OPPOSITE IN AUSTRALIA IF YOU LIVE LIKE A MARRIED COUPLE FOR MORE THAN TWO YEARS YOU ARE ENTITLED TO HALF OF EVERYTHING IN COURT WETHER THERE ARE CHILDREN OR NOT, AND ALSO ENTITLED TO MONEY FROM PARTNER IF THERE ARE CHILDREN WETHER HAVING BEEN MARRIED OR NOT OR EVEN IF NOT TOGETHER AT ALL SINCE CONCEPTION.BIZARRE HOW DIFFERENT THE WORLD IS.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WOW, I AM SURE LUCKY TO LIVE IN AUSTRALIA. IN MY COUNTRY IT IS IRRELEVANT WHETHER MARRIED OR NOT,WHEN YOUR CHILD IS BORN YOU JUST FILL IN THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE WITH THE CHILDS DETAILS AND THE CHOICE OF NAMES,MY FRIEND HAS TWO KIDS TO TWO DIFFERENT DADS AND IS STILL UNMARRIED,HER FIRST MY GODDAUGHTER HAS HER MOTHERS NAME,AND HER SECOND HAS HIS FATHERS,BUT IF SHE WERE TO GET MARRIED TO ANOTHER THE MAN IF WANTED TO COULD LEGALLY GIVE HIS NAME TO BOTH CHILDREN IF THAT WAS WHAT WAS WANTED,OR KEEP AS IS AND THE WIFE IS ALWAYS ALLOWED TO KEEP HER OWN NAME OR IN FACT HYPHONATE HER NAME WITH HIS AND ALSO THE CHILDS.iN ANY CASE IN THIS COUNTRY IF THE FATHER WAS TO DIE IT WOULD BE ON THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE WHO THE MOTHER WAS ANYWAY SO NO WORRIES THERE,AND ALSO WHICH IS NOT ALWAYS THE BEST THING BECAUSE SOME TAKE ADVANTAGE BUT IN YOUR CASE WOULD BE THE OPPOSITE IN AUSTRALIA IF YOU LIVE LIKE A MARRIED COUPLE FOR MORE THAN TWO YEARS YOU ARE ENTITLED TO HALF OF EVERYTHING IN COURT WETHER THERE ARE CHILDREN OR NOT, AND ALSO ENTITLED TO MONEY FROM PARTNER IF THERE ARE CHILDREN WETHER HAVING BEEN MARRIED OR NOT OR EVEN IF NOT TOGETHER AT ALL SINCE CONCEPTION.BIZARRE HOW DIFFERENT THE WORLD IS.</p>
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		<title>By: Nelly</title>
		<link>http://petiteanglaise.com/2004/10/05/old-maid/#comment-309</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nelly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Oct 2004 09:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think it&#039;s a very good idea!  Your arguments for are well-put and wise.
I found this article in the Sunday Times quite interesting too- it&#039;s quite a different viewpoint from what we tend to see and hear in London! http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0,,176-1291389,00.html

Hope it all turns out the very best for your family.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s a very good idea!  Your arguments for are well-put and wise.<br />
I found this article in the Sunday Times quite interesting too- it&#8217;s quite a different viewpoint from what we tend to see and hear in London! <a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0,,176-1291389,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0,,176-1291389,00.html</a></p>
<p>Hope it all turns out the very best for your family.</p>
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		<title>By: Watski</title>
		<link>http://petiteanglaise.com/2004/10/05/old-maid/#comment-308</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Watski]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2004 15:36:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[http://observer.guardian.co.uk/cash/story/0,6903,1318242,00.html

This was the article from the Cash part of The Observer.]]></description>
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<p>This was the article from the Cash part of The Observer.</p>
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		<title>By: petite anglaise</title>
		<link>http://petiteanglaise.com/2004/10/05/old-maid/#comment-307</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2004 14:46:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[he he he

Good point that Watski, I will have to research that, as being a non-French person I would probably get thoroughly shafted (pardon my French)..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>he he he</p>
<p>Good point that Watski, I will have to research that, as being a non-French person I would probably get thoroughly shafted (pardon my French)..</p>
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		<title>By: Watski</title>
		<link>http://petiteanglaise.com/2004/10/05/old-maid/#comment-306</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Watski]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2004 14:25:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We could always make him jealous.  How about it?

I read in the Observer this weekend about the divorce laws, where some countries break down rights more severely than others.  I think I remember France being one of those.  So as much as the law isn&#039;t on your side now it equally isn&#039;t on your side if you were to be divorced in France.

Or something like that.

Im guessing divorce is the last thing you&#039;re thinking of though.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We could always make him jealous.  How about it?</p>
<p>I read in the Observer this weekend about the divorce laws, where some countries break down rights more severely than others.  I think I remember France being one of those.  So as much as the law isn&#8217;t on your side now it equally isn&#8217;t on your side if you were to be divorced in France.</p>
<p>Or something like that.</p>
<p>Im guessing divorce is the last thing you&#8217;re thinking of though.</p>
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		<title>By: petite anglaise</title>
		<link>http://petiteanglaise.com/2004/10/05/old-maid/#comment-305</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[petite anglaise]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2004 12:22:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The problem there Zinnia is that French inheritance law prevents people from leaving money/property to anyone other than their next of kin. Any will made leaving our worldly goods to one another would be invalid.  So the Tadpole &lt;strong&gt;has&lt;/strong&gt; to inherit.

We could put a clause in the deeds so that the surviving partner would have the &#039;right to buy&#039; the other&#039;s half of our (hypothetical) flat.  Which includes the right to pay &lt;strong&gt;40%&lt;/strong&gt; tax on the amount (the top rate, for people who are not related to each other).

So you see, French law really puts our back to the wall and leaves no alternative but to marry in order to be provided for.

And I know of (very sad) cases where the children inherited the family home, and kicked out the aged parent and put them in a home so that they could get their hands on the capital.  Charming.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem there Zinnia is that French inheritance law prevents people from leaving money/property to anyone other than their next of kin. Any will made leaving our worldly goods to one another would be invalid.  So the Tadpole <strong>has</strong> to inherit.</p>
<p>We could put a clause in the deeds so that the surviving partner would have the &#8216;right to buy&#8217; the other&#8217;s half of our (hypothetical) flat.  Which includes the right to pay <strong>40%</strong> tax on the amount (the top rate, for people who are not related to each other).</p>
<p>So you see, French law really puts our back to the wall and leaves no alternative but to marry in order to be provided for.</p>
<p>And I know of (very sad) cases where the children inherited the family home, and kicked out the aged parent and put them in a home so that they could get their hands on the capital.  Charming.</p>
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		<title>By: Zinnia Cyclamen</title>
		<link>http://petiteanglaise.com/2004/10/05/old-maid/#comment-304</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zinnia Cyclamen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2004 11:46:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[About the reasons of Monsieur Le Grenouille:

* my reasons are too pragmatic and not romantic at all

So if you go down on one knee and produce a ring while saying &#039;please marry me because I never want to live without you&#039;, he would say yes then?  You could call his bluff on this one...

* they involve scenarios where one of us pops our clogs which he just finds morbid

One of you IS going to pop your clogs.  Both of you, in fact; but most likely one of you before the other.  He needs to get real on this one.  Particularly as, statistically, he&#039;s likely to die first.  Losing him would be bad enough; if, when newly bereaved, the two of you were also so financially insecure that you lost your home and your lifestyle as well, you might never get over it.  It&#039;s hard for many people to think about the deaths of their loved ones, or the likely effect of their own death on their loved ones, but I&#039;d be surprised if he didn&#039;t care about this once he understood it.

* he has already made the biggest commitment of all by having a child with me

So, and I agree with Cal here, what&#039;s so difficult about making a smaller commitment to secure the future of you and Tadpole if he dies first, and he and Tadpole if you do?

Another option where the finances are concerned is to make legal wills in favour of each other.  This is also morbid in Mr Frog&#039;s world view and practical in most people&#039;s.  Top Bloke and I have done this and we don&#039;t even have children.  Doesn&#039;t solve the name or nationality issues though.

Good luck.  Let us know how you get on.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About the reasons of Monsieur Le Grenouille:</p>
<p>* my reasons are too pragmatic and not romantic at all</p>
<p>So if you go down on one knee and produce a ring while saying &#8216;please marry me because I never want to live without you&#8217;, he would say yes then?  You could call his bluff on this one&#8230;</p>
<p>* they involve scenarios where one of us pops our clogs which he just finds morbid</p>
<p>One of you IS going to pop your clogs.  Both of you, in fact; but most likely one of you before the other.  He needs to get real on this one.  Particularly as, statistically, he&#8217;s likely to die first.  Losing him would be bad enough; if, when newly bereaved, the two of you were also so financially insecure that you lost your home and your lifestyle as well, you might never get over it.  It&#8217;s hard for many people to think about the deaths of their loved ones, or the likely effect of their own death on their loved ones, but I&#8217;d be surprised if he didn&#8217;t care about this once he understood it.</p>
<p>* he has already made the biggest commitment of all by having a child with me</p>
<p>So, and I agree with Cal here, what&#8217;s so difficult about making a smaller commitment to secure the future of you and Tadpole if he dies first, and he and Tadpole if you do?</p>
<p>Another option where the finances are concerned is to make legal wills in favour of each other.  This is also morbid in Mr Frog&#8217;s world view and practical in most people&#8217;s.  Top Bloke and I have done this and we don&#8217;t even have children.  Doesn&#8217;t solve the name or nationality issues though.</p>
<p>Good luck.  Let us know how you get on.</p>
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		<title>By: Van</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2004 10:41:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If he has no reason TO get married, then he can&#039;t possibly have any reasons NOT TO get married. At least, this is the argument that worked on my my live-in boyfriend of 5 years who has now been my husband for 2 months (HAH! Victory).  He also said that marriage was an old &#039;church enforced&#039; institution that didn&#039;t apply &#039;blah blah yadda yadda&#039; etc, but at the end of the day we agreed that we love each other and if it is important to one of us, then it should be important to both of us.  Plus - you DO need to take care of yourself financially in the event of his death or any other reason so why the hell is he digging his toes in? Was he a prince that turned into a frog when you kissed him? Just joking, I would also be livid if my child had the same surname as my partner, and not me.  I mean why the hell  should your partner have all the perks of &#039;married life&#039; including a child with his surname, and not want to at  the very least take an inexpensive trip down to the french version of the registry office and sign some friggin papers for you? It is NO BIG DEAL honestly.  When it came to the crunch, my hub and I both just grinned at each other and signed the papers. It is just one more thing that says you love each other. It doesn&#039;t have to be this big romantic fluffy white thing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If he has no reason TO get married, then he can&#8217;t possibly have any reasons NOT TO get married. At least, this is the argument that worked on my my live-in boyfriend of 5 years who has now been my husband for 2 months (HAH! Victory).  He also said that marriage was an old &#8216;church enforced&#8217; institution that didn&#8217;t apply &#8216;blah blah yadda yadda&#8217; etc, but at the end of the day we agreed that we love each other and if it is important to one of us, then it should be important to both of us.  Plus &#8211; you DO need to take care of yourself financially in the event of his death or any other reason so why the hell is he digging his toes in? Was he a prince that turned into a frog when you kissed him? Just joking, I would also be livid if my child had the same surname as my partner, and not me.  I mean why the hell  should your partner have all the perks of &#8216;married life&#8217; including a child with his surname, and not want to at  the very least take an inexpensive trip down to the french version of the registry office and sign some friggin papers for you? It is NO BIG DEAL honestly.  When it came to the crunch, my hub and I both just grinned at each other and signed the papers. It is just one more thing that says you love each other. It doesn&#8217;t have to be this big romantic fluffy white thing.</p>
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